Sunday, November 14, 2021

Reflections on The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill

It's likely that I'll remember 2021 in part as the year in which Mike Cosper narrated my solo drives and weekend walks. Often I wondered if I could take yet another heart-sickening story of the abuse of power in the church, but I kept coming back, like a moth to the flame. 

If you're not familiar with it, The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill is an audio documentary sponsored by Christianity Today about the Seattle mega-Church called Mars Hill pastored by Mark Driscoll -- its origins, rapid growth, M.O., and the toxic culture of leadership that lead to its messy end. 

I have never met Mark Driscoll, never listened to one of his sermons, and never read one of his books, so why did I invest over a dozen hours listening to this podcast?

In the first place, it's well produced and well articulated. The sound design is fantastic and the stories are compelling. Christianity Today set a high bar with this one.

More importantly, it helps to explain a movement I could not understand at the time -- among other things, how a conservative pastor could say such crass things about sex, gender roles, and manhood from the pulpit and get away with it. Like most evangelicals with an ear to the ground, I had seen and heard clips of inflammatory things that Mark Driscoll said from the stage (around 2012), and I was deeply concerned. I later learned about his highly unethical ploy to get one of his books on the New York Times bestseller list. It was hard to miss the news about the raft of plaigiarism found in his books. And I knew that in spite of his church elders' attempt to lead him through a disciplinary process, Mark had resigned and headed to Arizona . . . where he planted a new church.

The Rise and Fall of Mars Hill shines a spotlight on abusive power dynamics that are too-often operative in Christian churches and institutions. Cosper traces various threads to help us see the origins of unhealthy ideas and the ways that they hurt people. At the same time, he highlights the stories of those who experienced radical transformation in their lives in the early days of Mars Hill. 

I believe God calls the church to bear his name with honor. In the case of Mars Hill, the quest for growth-at-all-costs was paired with Mark Driscoll's growing refusal to be accountable to seasoned leaders in his church network or even to his own board of elders. We can learn a lot from this story. It stands as a modern day parable of sorts, warning of the dangers associated with a leader having too much power, too fast, without godly character and life experience to prevent that leader from going off the rails. Unlike a parable, this one has real collatoral damage. So many former members are still trying to pick up the pieces and make sense of what happened.


Ironically, the podcast has been a sensation of its own. Today it's ranked #2 in religion podcasts in the US. This probably says something about our our collective desire to hear grizzly tales of others' demise. It probably also points to how widespread these problems are in the church. I'm guessing it appeals to a lot of people who would like to understand a conservative brand of Christianity that prides itself on fidelity to Scripture but puts up with a bully in the pulpit. Probably all of these reasons. (As a side note, it's in very interesting company on the top 5!)

I've listened to The Rise and Fall in part because of its popularity. As an educator and lover of the church, I want to be in the loop about what people are hearing and how they are processing. If you've listened to at least part of the series, how has it personally challenged you? Leave me a note in the comments below.

Personally, I've been sobered by what well-meaning people will tolerate when a strong personality is at the helm. The podcast has given us much to lament. It renews my appreciation for institutional structures that have rigorous checks and balances in place. It's also a reminder that character matters a whole lot. For Driscoll, his popularity became the "proof" of his effectiveness and the "fruit" of "his ministry" -- but how many of those metrics could be traced to people who tuned in because they were incredulous? Just because people are listening, that doesn't mean the teaching is sound. The Old Testament prophet Jeremiah warned against false prophets who told people what their itching ears wanted to hear (Jeremiah 6:14).

If the podcast series has left you disillusioned about the church, a good next step might be to read Scot McKnight and Laura Barringer's book, A Church Called Tov (tov is the Hebrew word for "good"). It's on my short list of books to read next. McKnight and Barringer write about how to cultivate a healthy church culture where stories like this one will not keep happening. May the overwhelming popularity of this podcast awaken the church to stop tolerating abuses of power and instead cultivate communities marked by faithful and humble service!

14 comments:

  1. I have read and listened to a wide range of comments about the podcast, but I haven't listened to it, and probably won't. Having read Jesus and John Wayne, I think I'd find it too depressing. I enjoyed your reflections.

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    1. Jesus and John Wayne is on my list to read. The two seem to go hand in hand. Having read Du Mez, you probably know all you need to know.

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  3. I’ve listened to every episode. It hits me hard having grown up in a mega church with the exact same type of pastor (who sits in prison today). In the end I think it’s a great gift to the church, reminding us that success in numbers is not a sign of Kingdom success. I think every pastor should listen to it.

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    1. Scott, so sorry to hear that you had to live through a similar story.

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  4. I haven't had time to listen but have followed coverage of Mark Driscoll since the beginning of his time in Seattle. One thing that strikes me is how other leaders and other groups enabled Driscoll even as his unethical and harmful behavior escalated. He became the 800-lb gorilla of the "young, restless, and reformed" crowd and to challenge him was something that you did at your own risk. I'm thankful that the way of Christ is not like that. As Henri Nouwen describes it in "In the Name of Jesus," it is not grasping for recognition and power, but loosening our grip on those things and following Jesus to the Cross. Christian leadership is a hard, uncomfortable journey to the Cross, something that seemed alien to Mr. Driscoll. Indeed, it is alien to all of us which is whey we must cling to Christ.

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    1. Yes, the whole thing was concerning long before the church imploded. It raises all sorts of questions about how the church at large not only tolerates, but supports narcissism and abusive behavior.

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  5. I really enjoyed listening to you on the Disrupters podcast. This past Sunday I was preaching from Ezekiel 36 and what you had to say about bearing Yahweh's name was very helpful. Blessings.

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    1. I'm delighted to hear that it was helpful to you! Blessings on your ministry!

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  6. I just finished the series and am grateful to Christianity Today for producing it. I'm commenting to highlight the people at Mars Hill who saw what was happening and had the courage to leave and start new communities. I left the Catholic church at 16, but wasted 20 more years in the wilderness before "seeing the light" at 37. So now I'm a "free-range" Christian (non-denominational) and can't shake my deep distrust of organized religion.
    This is a prayer for everyone who has separated from an abusive relationship; that you heal quickly and become refreshed with love and support.

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    1. Thanks for your comment, Jack. I, too, am grateful. Glad you've found Jesus again, and hope that you find a community of his followers to journey with. For all its flaws, the church is God's Plan A, B, and C.

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  7. I appreciate and value your observations and comments, Carmen, on the Mars Hill series. Christie and I have listened to the series in the car driving to and from work. But waited until now to respond as the final segment, Aftermath, just came out Dec. 4th. We wanted to first hear the entire series before making response. And the final word may not yet be had as possible 'bonus episodes' were announced.

    Aftermath revealed to me, in a way I had not considered, the continuing sequalae of the church failure in the lives of those involved. Reported are stories of healing mixed with those of ongoing pain and pessimism, skepticism and doubt. Those narratives are at once sad and comforting as some of those involved remain hurt while others are seeking and offering forgiveness.

    It was riveting wasn't it? You note our penchant for 'grizzly tales of others demise.' I had never heard of Mars Hill or Mark Driscoll until I ran across the podcast. And at first I had ignored it as I assumed it had something to do with Athens. One can be sure the series appeals to each of us at different levels and in different ways. It did not challenge my faith in any way. I had learned long ago not to blame God for what churches do, i.e. people, do. Other churches we have seen rise and fall. There probably is a whole lesson to made encouraging people to put their faith in God not the church they attend.

    Where the story struck us is that we too now attend a 20 year old evangelical 'mega church' with a celebrity style founding husband and wife pastor couple. In this most recent episode reference is made to large churches with 'loud music and hour long sermons.' Yep, that's about it (why we go is another story.)

    But the whole issue give us pause. Mars Hill is a cautionary tale. At our church with 15,000 folks on the role and 5,000 in the building any given Sunday the lead pastors cant know us and we cant know them. Neither the pew nor the pulpit are good places to 'get to know' others. Neither can we easily connect with the flurry of younger pastors on staff. Many thoughts or questions we have expressed in person or by email have never been responded to. It's no ones fault. It just cant be done in a church that size. The leadership dynamics are opaque. As the Mars Hill story shows there will be many dynamics among leadership never known to the folks in the pews. Who knows what character pathology among the leadership staff is brewing where we? We may never know.

    But, before we beat up the large churches I observe we have seen similar dynamics in churches of 200 and less. The problems at Mars Hill were readily available for observation but tended to by neither leadership or 'regular' members. That discussion could lead in many directions: an immature, narcissistic, non self reflective lead pastor in over his head; an inert eldership who followed rather than led; years of legalistic teaching and preaching evidenced by trying to control what folks do right down to the detail of their bedrooms; and much more.

    But the direction the discussion leads me in response to your thoughts is reflected in something Martin Luther King said. It was along the lines of 'There comes a point when silence becomes betrayal.' He was speaking of politics. But it is true also of church affairs. The whole Mars Hill story reminds me to not be passive when I see or hear things that are wrong in my church. That might mean I speak up. And if that doesn't work we can all vote with our feet. There are other churches in most towns. None will be perfect. But some imperfections can be tolerated while others cannot. It is asking for the wisdom to know the difference that helps.

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    1. Billy, thank you for your very thoughtful response. Blessings!

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    2. p.s. We miss you. Tuesdays are just not the same.

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